The Dunamis Word 2

Icon

Upholding The Light Of Jesus In A Dark World

The Tithe & The New Testament ~ Overcoming Modern Criticisms

I have undertaken the issue of tithes in the NT church due to what I consider to be a challenge posed to many who support the church regularly by tithes and offering. The excesses of some leaders have caused individuals within the church to question the method of funding the modern church and has, in my opinion, led to much confusion if not rebellion over the issue.

My argument will be summarized in the following manner:

1-      The Establishment Of The Tithe

2-      The Concept Of Sacrifice.

  1. Does A Tithe Qualify?
  2. Does It Include Currency?

3-      The Tithe As A Type

4-      Paul On Giving

5-      100% New Testament Giving

Section 1- The Establishment Of The Tithe

The very first issue to visit is the scope of tithes and why tithes as a method of contribution was instituted in the OT. As we will find in the study there was a practical and a spiritual reason for tithes. I will deal with the practical aspect and continue into the sacrificial and spiritual aspects of it as well.

The tithe was instituted in direct response to the needs of the Levites. The Levites did not have land nor an inheritance among the nation. However, the Levites, who had stood with Moses against the apostasy of the nation,(Ex. 32:26) were also consecrated by God to be the ministers to the nation. God promised that since they didn’t have an inheritance, that they would receive a 10th of ALL the land.

Numbers 18:21-24 ~ “21-And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation. 22-Neither must the children of Israel henceforth come nigh the tabernacle of the congregation, lest they bear sin, and die. 23-But the Levites shall do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they shall bear their iniquity: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations, that among the children of Israel they have no inheritance. 24-But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

As we note over time tithe was both used and misused, but the system, though having evolved, was still in effect even during Jesus day. However, Jesus placed the greater weight of responsibility upon those receiving tithe to focus on the needs of the people rather than what they were receiving (Lk. 11:42)

From What Were Tithes Assessed?

Jews had always had various interpretations of what the law of tithing included . Thayers Lexicon describes the various aspects of the tithes as follows:

TITHES are a species of incorporeal hereditaments, and are defined to be “a tenth part of the increase yearly arising and renewing.” First, immediately from the soil; i. e. from the profits of the land. Secondly, mediately, i. e. from the increase of animals. Thirdly, by the labor and personal industry of man. The first species is usually called PREDIAL, as of corn, grass, hops and wood, including tithe for the agistment of cattle. The second, MIXED, as of wool, milk, pigs, &c. consisting of natural products, but matured and preserved in part by the care of man; and of these two sorts the tenth must be paid in gross: The third species, is usually termed, PERSONAL, as of manual occupations; trade, fisheries, and the like; and of these only the tenth part of the clear gains and profits is due. See 2 Bl. Com.3.”

If the “labor and personal industry” produces monetary increase, monetary increase was delivered as a part of tithe. As in the NT we find that OT tithing, giving and sacrifice in general was based on the ability of the individual and based on what they had been given by God as “increase”.

God accepted what was given, but had a greater respect unto what was sacrificed through the shedding of blood, as an expectation or precursor of what would take place through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.  (see special addendum[i])

Section 2- The Concept Of Sacrifice. Does A Tithe Qualify? Does It Include Currency?

Although there are many forms of the word “sacrifice, for our study let’s define what the word “sacrifice”means:

“The surrender or destruction of something prized or desirable for the sake of something considered as having a higher or more pressing claim.”[ii]

In the OT, not all sacrifices were sacrifices of biologically “living” animals. Cain sacrificed of the ground (Gen. 4:3) This was possibly later categorized as a “grain offering”  (Lev. 2:13) within scripture. So the concept is that an offering was a type of sacrifice.

When David sinned by “numbering Israel” (1 Sam. 21) In order to appease the wrath of God, David was instructed to make an altar of sacrifice. He went to Ornan the Jebusite (inhabitant of Jerusalem) to use his threshing floor. Ornan, seeing the angel of the Lord was afraid and asked David to take what he would and do as he pleased for free. David responded by giving  Ornan 600 shekles of gold which is the equivalent of roughly $1,152,000 in today’s dollars.  He went on to say this:

1 Sam. 21:24 ~ And King David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.

In other words David associated what he was going to give God to something that cost him something. He dared not give God something that he obtained on a discount.  It had to be a sacrifice, whereby something that he prized was surrendered for the sake of something that had a more pressing claim.

There are others that we view that also considered that in order to properly honor God, something of value had to be delivered to him. We shall look at 2 characters and the requirement of God toward the nation of Israel itself when they entered into the promised land.

I: Abraham.  

This event took place before a word was written regarding the law of tithe. What this displays is that the concept of honoring with substance was in effect even before the Law was written. We observe that Abraham not only deliver’s a biological tithe to Melchisedec but also material substance in tithe. How do we know and how is this statement supported? Simply, it’s in the text. Abraham gave a 10th (tithe) of ALL his substance.

Genesis 14:19:21 ~ “19-And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:  20-And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.  21-And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.

Hebrews clarifies and continues this theme without modification or restriction to say that Abraham gave Melchisedec  a tithe of “all of the spoils” of his victory.

Heb 7:4 ~ 4-Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

In order to assume that Abraham’s tithe to Melchisedec did not include currency we would also have to make the following assumptions:

  • Those whom Abraham conquered had no money such as gold or silver currency
  • Abraham simply overlooked the currency (gold and silver)and left it there for others to take
  • Abraham didn’t consider that giving a “tithe of ALL” included currency such as gold or silver

Either one of these assumptions are flawed and not supported by scripture.

II: Abraham’s Grandson, Jacob

After Jacob had his vision of what we call “Jacob’s ladder” he built an altar and promised to give God a 10th (tithe) of ALL that God would give him.

Gen. 28 :18-22 ~ 18-And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it. 19-And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first. 20-And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, 21-So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: 22-And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

So Jacob, similar to his grandfather Abraham, associates tithe with “ALL” of his substance and not merely biological life such as animals, herbs or crops.

Are we to assume that in a time where we recognize that money is in existence, that Jacob somehow would make an exception and not consider his monetary increase part of the “tithe” that he promised to God?

In both cases one would have to assume that neither Abraham or Jacob:

  • Understood the value or use of gold/silver or currency
  • Neither had currency during a time when we recognize clearly that money, (silver and gold) was used to trade and buy and in exchange for goods and even services.

We would also have to assume that Jacob is following a family tradition of not having money, but simply having farm animals.

There is no warrant to assume that the tithe by either Jacob, Abraham, or any teacher of the law was restricted to biological life forms only, herbs or crops.  Under Levitical times, neither the First nor Second Temple was ever construed as a farm or a place where farming took place because people could only provide animals. The assumption that the tithe consisted of ONLY biological life such as livestock, and crops is no more than an unsupportable myth.

III: Case Scenario Of Jericho

Jericho was the FIRST place in the land of promise that the Children of Israel was to take. Unlike the rest of the land everything in Jericho, including Jericho itself, was to be dedicated to God. Jericho was to be left uninhabited and no spoil was to be taken. Jericho itself was a TITHE to the Lord. That which was given FIRST to the Lord.

Notice what God said when he talks about ALL THINGS dedicated to himself INCLUDING the MONEY, “silver, gold vessels of brass and iron” v. 19 that were to come into the treasury of the Lord:

Joshua 6:15 -19 ~ 15-And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times. 16-And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city. 17-And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18-And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19-But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD.

The MONEY, which is non biological matter or substance, was to be given to God. Notice it was when Achan had taken some of the gold and silver for himself, hiding it under his tent, (Joshua  7)  that God was displeased and Achan and his family lost their lives because of it.

Now those things by themselves establish a clear biblical precedent that currency was considered to be a sacrifice and that tithe included currency and not solely animals and or grain. But there is one or two more aspects to look at to better understand the issue.

A fourth case can be made regarding land buy backs[iii]

Section 3: The Tithe As A Type

One of the primary arguments levied against tithes is that it was under the “curse of the Law” and we have obtained a much better covenant of grace and truth. This is a great observation, but it is not a developed position when it is considered what tithes represented under the OT view.

As established in Section 1, tithes supported the Priests who did not have an inheritance of Land because of their duty and call. However, there is much more to this. I’ll explain;  what is often overlooked as it pertains to tithe and many matters from the OT to the NT is the aspect that the OT consists of what we find revealed in the NT. Paul states that the OT was a “schoolmaster”(Gal. 3:24) that would bring us to Christ.  It is a “foreshadow” of what we would find in the NT through Jesus himself.

If and since this is the case, the tithe is also a type, prototype or a symbol of what we find in Jesus.  I believe this is why the tithe was required and was effective as a method of blessing in the OT and certainly not condemned, even though matured, in the NT and not specifically required after the death and resurrection of Christ by NT Apostles, teachers and leaders.

How did the tithe under the law, represent Jesus?

The tithe is FIRST
The tithe belongs to God
Obeying God with the tithe blesses
Rejecting God with the tithe curses
The tithe is used to bless the people
The tithe is used to minister to the priest
The tithe was an instruction according to to every man’s ability
The tithe is used to expand and increase God’s Kingdom on earth.

As Malachi states, the tithe and delivery of the tithe or not delivering a tithe was associated with a blessing or a curse.

Malachi 3:9-10 ~ 9-Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10-Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The question is how can a monetary gift or the gift of material substance whether biological or not be associated with a blessing or a curse?

In the OT, the tithe is a “type” and instituted by God. Since the tithe is a command of God, not delivering a tithe would be associated with sin, rebellion and unbelief.(1 Sam. 15:22-23) It would be associated with rejecting God and his path and would demand judgment. If one were to reject God by overlooking the law of “tithe” one could expect to be punished accordingly. If the tithe functioned as only a foreshadow or type of what we find in Jesus, then to reject to tithe would be the foreshadowing equivalent of rejecting Jesus.

The thought of disobeying God, and being cursed, through what we would consider inanimate objects and disobeying God toward them is a concept not lost upon scripture. I could point to many instances, but let’s look at something that appears to be somewhat of a parallel to the subject of blessing and cursing:

Moses &The Rock

Numbers 20: 8-13 ~ 8-Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink. 9-And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. 10-And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock, and he said unto them, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? 11-And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice: and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their beasts also. 12-And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. 13-This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the LORD, and he was sanctified in them

Moses loses his ability to enter into the promised land through this particular event. In this case, the rock itself was a TYPE of Christ,  a precursor of the one who abundantly gives everyone to drink causing their thirst to cease.(Jn. 4:14, 6:35) When Moses struck the rock, his actions represented the “striking” or the crucifixion of Jesus himself and was therefore a curse upon Moses because he disobeyed God.

It is exactly this type of rejection that parallels the concept that we are trying to deliver. The concept that one can be cursed for violating a command of God based on what that command represents. This is clearly observed as Moses, through a precursor of striking the rock, dishonored God and lost his place and ability to enter the promise land.

Therefore, it is scriptural to assert that if a curse is delivered for disobeying tithe, as Malachai states, then a parallel is being drawn between it and what it represents. I contend that the tithe clearly represents Jesus in a symbolic sense as I have stated previously.

Section 4: Paul On Giving

In order to understand this discourse, I’ll first deal with hints of the Pauline concept of “first’ which would have been consistent with his training as a Pharisee.

Paul’s Understanding of “First” & Tithe

Would any of this have been in the mind of the church’s first century leaders and apostles? Is any of it applicable today?

The contention of the critic is that neither Paul nor the Apostles taught tithe because we don’t see it explicitly taught within NT scripture. I believe this is an assumption without foundation and a great leap to a conclusion, not necessarily warranted by scripture.

On the other hand, I will agree that none of the Apostles associated the giving of currency to a certain level of blessing. In other words they did not teach a “give to get” scheme. However, we do see giving associated with a curse. (we will explain that later in this section)

It seems that the first church associated giving to Christian service, duty, and love. In addition, as we will note, the Apostles and the NT church actually practiced a much greater mode of giving called 100% giving and encouraged liberal “free will” offerings to meet the needs of the Saints.

First, giving and ministering to the temple and later to the church was something that a First Century Jew, especially a religious one, did without thinking.  Remember, Paul and the Apostles continued to be a part of the second temple system until it was broken down in AD 70 or until they were taken out of the way through death.  In Acts 3, leaders of the Christian church were yet attending the temple daily to pray. In Acts 19 Paul was engaged in synagogue worship,  prayers, and debates.   Tithe was clearly a part of the second temple era teaching and none of the debates that we are aware of centered around whether individuals should continue to pay tithes or not. Those debates appear to have been centered around the resurrection of Jesus , the nature of God in Jesus and the extension of salvation to the world and of course understanding Jesus to be the promised messiah.

Paul Understands & Delivers The Concept Of “First” In The NT

Paul, as a Jew, trained in these matters, understood the law and the law of the tithe:

Galations 1:14 ~ “And profited in the Jews’ religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.”

Paul also understood the application of the law toward the person of Jesus:

 Romans 8:3 ~For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

Paul delivered the following in what many NT believers declare as the Constitution of the NT, the book of Romans regarding Jesus:

Romans 11:16 ~ For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Paul uses terminology such as Jesus being the the “first born” (Rom. 8:29), “First born of every creature” (Col. 1:15), and the “first born from the dead” (Col. 1:18), and concepts that Jesus is the preeminent one both of eternity and of creation. The concept of “First” is clearly traditionally Jewish, and associated with Jesus in Paul’s writings without question. These references were to hail Jesus as the preeminent one and the one who has no equal.

Like his counterparts and those that preceded him Paul understood what “First”, actually meant, and understood its spiritual significance.  The concept of “First” was representative of “tithe” or the best that what was given to and dedicated to God. That which was preeminent and acceptable to God is in every way a part of an ultimate sacrifice and blessing. This concept of “first” was continuously applied to Jesus aptly by Paul in his writings and purposefully so.

Are we to assume that a culture rich in knowledge and meaning  of “first”, “first fruits”, “first born” and “tithe” intended to suddenly disband the idea of giving God not only the first, but all of themselves?  Are we to assume that all Jewish customs were so despised that the NT church lost all sense of how these things honored and reverenced God? I think to make such an argument is not only unwise, but it also doesn’t honor either scripture, nor the historic foundation of the church itself. In contrast we observe a Jewish Jesus who honored ALL of the law and yet did not offend in any point. (1 Pet. 2:22)

Secondly, it would seem to be an overstatement to say that Paul’s concept and ultimate teaching of giving after meeting Jesus was independent of his historical roots and basis found within the OT. It is certainly conceivable that Paul preached and taught even more that he taught or wrote regarding giving in the epistles, but what he did write was clearly drawn from OT modes, methods and teachings. I believe there is plenty of scriptural evidence that would suggest that Paul didn’t leave the foundation and basis for his teachings on giving and various offerings even if the meaning of those things were matured by his new faith, belief and experience with the risen Jesus.

For example, we can look at 2 Cor. 9:6-12. In this chapter we can observe that nearly every verse Paul delivers is supported by the OT roots that he is calling upon to do the teaching. Let’s look at it verse by verse:

6-But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
{OT ref: Prov. 11:24, 22:9. Psalms 107:37}
7Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
{OT ref: Deut. 15:7, Prov. 22:9}
8And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
{OT ref: Prov. 11:24}
9(As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
{OT ref: Psalms 112:9}
10Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
{OT ref: Isa. 55:10, Hosea 10:12}
11
Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
12For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

In just 6 verses from the chapter, Paul draws from about 9 Old Testament verse references.  His mode of teaching and practical understanding is clearly rooted in the OT scriptures. Why would his mode and method of giving be otherwise inconsistent with other aspects of truth that he sets forth?

In addition, Paul draws from his OT understanding of giving as a basis for how the NT minister or servant should be compensated and treated by the church. He states:

1 Cor. 9:13-14 ~13- Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14– Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

It is clear that Paul did not have an intent to “trash” certain OT understandings and create new traditions whole-cloth. Obviously Paul, who’s primary ministry was to the Gentiles, did not hold that “the Law”or its traditions were in effect for those who placed faith in Jesus and served God in “The Way”. What we find is that Paul taught the matured outgrowth of many of the OT traditions and commands because of what Jesus did to “fulfill the Law”. In this case Paul used what God had instituted under the Law as a basis for how the church should operate in the future.

Question: Why didn’t Paul teach tithes here?

First, if he taught tithes, it was certainly a NT and more mature version of tithes that did so to support the work of the church as opposed to something taught as a work for righteousness. Secondly, Paul was specifically dealing with an issue at hand that had nothing to do with tithes. This had to do with helping poor Saints at Jerusalem who needed financial assistance. He references this in Romans 15 also asking for the Saints who were able to raise some money and send it to Jerusalem, to meet the needs of those that were suffering abundantly.

Section 5: 100% New Testament Giving

One of the most startling representations of the NT mode of giving is that it seems that the NT believer was encouraged to give a much greater amount than a 10% tithe. It seems that the believers pointed out early on that individuals gave ALL or 100% of their assets to the church and to the church leaders and in turn those leaders met the needs of the people.

Acts 4:32-35 ~ 32-And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33-And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34-Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35-And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Wait a minute. This was EXACTLY what happened with the tithe as I referenced earlier under the OT concept.  The tithe was used to minister to the people, and take care of the house of God.  A portion of it was also used to minister to the needs of the Priest and in this case the Apostles. No man was forced to give anything more or less than he/she could, or what they were “increased” to do.

Interestingly and with very much notability, in the same chapter, Acts 4, we see a new convert named Joses, who was also a Levite Priest. He sells some land that he owned and gives all the earnings  and lays 100% of the price of it  at the feet of the Apostles also:

36-And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, 37-Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

This is astounding, because as a Levite and further as a Priest, he held on to the land for his own purposes according to the law. It had been given to him under the Levite system from which he had come. Now that he has experienced conversion and is a Christian or a follower of The Way, he gives everything he has to the church for the furtherance of the Church and mission of Christ. Without a doubt, this is really an amazing turn of events. He certainly didn’t argue 10%. He gave 100%.

Deceptive Hearts 

The events at the end of Acts 4 are contrasted to the events at the beginning of Acts 5, where Ananias and Sapphiria conspire to hold back part of the money from a land sale, pretending to have given all when they hadn’t. Peter declares that they had lied to the Holy Ghost and speaks as follows to them as to why they had to die:

v. 4 ~  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

In other words, they (Ananias & Sapphira) had an option to give what they would, but chose to hold it back and lie. They tempted God and death was required.  Was there a curse associated with their giving? Yes there was, because they were not truthful and did not obey nor honor God.

This is under what has traditionally been called the dispensation of grace, yet God took their lives because they were deceptive in giving. This WAS NOT a tithe, however it was giving and involved currency.

The ultimate sacrifice to God is our hearts:

Ps. 51:17 ~ The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Giving 100% of our hearts, does not preclude the fact that the church and the people need money and as a vessel of the Lord, individuals are encouraged to minister to the needs of both.  The misuse of the tithe or general offering does not in any way claim that offerings or tithes should not be given to the church. It does however require that those that give are dutiful and spiritually studious in their giving and do so to bless God, his people and the work of the Kingdom of God here on earth.

PUSH-BACKS & COMMON QUESTIONS

Is Tithe A Standard Of Giving Within The NT?

Certainly without a doubt it is. However a tithe is only one standard. 100% giving is another standard. Another standard appears to be the “free will” standard in order to meet individual needs and helping those in need associated with the church.  It seems that the standard is open to adjustment based on the needs of the local church and that contention over the issue is discouraged because the believer knows that in practice he/she owes ALL, (100%) of everything they have to God and are instructed to freely give when asked.

Will One Be Cursed Without Tithing?

Yes, If God requires a tithe, or if a tithe is committed to him and then overlooked. If one pretends to tithe or give out of “free will” and does not do what one commits how can they expect to be blessed for lying? Ananias and Sapphiria were not required to do anything, but made a commitment and did not keep their commitment because of the deceit of their hearts. They were cursed. They were fully under the NT dispensation of grace as well.

I Don’t Believe In Tithing.

Well you don’t believe in a great part of the bible that not only types and shadows Jesus, but also provides a method by which we learn how to honor God and also how to minister to the needs of the people, saints, and the house of God through it.

The ultimate blessing of our lives is accessed through Christ. However, would one think that because tithe is fulfilled in Jesus that it is now somehow, without a blessing to both the house of God and the people who partake of HIS house and the institution which he has established? To be unconcerned regarding this is to be of a cold-natured heart, especially when so much good could come as a result of faithful and consistent giving.

 If You Are Tithing In According To The Law Then You Are Acting As If The Law Has Not Been Abolished For The Believer.

The Law is fulfilled not “abolished” for the believer because the Levitical system has been completed. However the method of supporting the church is acceptable.  There should be no contention from a believer who is a part of the church, in giving as the NT leaders suspected that that believers would be   part of the church (Heb. 10:25)

Another example is this:  The Decalogue (10 Commandments) says “thou shalt not kill” (aka: commit murder) Are we not to abide by that since the commandment has been fulfilled? How about worship of other Gods? Do we worship other Gods because the commandment was under the OT? Same with adultery, covetousness etc. Do we now do those things because the law has been “fulfilled”? In actuality there is no aspect of the Decalogue or the word of God that is detrimental to the church and the believer if followed in context. Even obeying the law of Sabbath is fulfilled when understood in context, that Jesus is and has become our Sabbath rest.

Tithe and giving is NOT contained within the Decalogue. It is contained within the ceremonial aspects of the law itself and we know that those things cannot save us from sin. However, the biblical principle of giving and serving those in need, is upheld by Jesus himself. (Mt. 23:23)  Christ has instituted his church to do just that…minister to the community and needs of those within it and the world who need freedom.

Why is it that when it comes to tithing, opponents are so quick to relegate it to the OT and further to obscurity claiming that it is ineffectual? I believe those arguments are based on the abuses that we have seen, rather than the scriptural blessing associated with such giving.

The Tithe Was For The Priest In The OT. According To The Word We Are Priests (1 Pet. 2:9) . We Have Jesus & He Needs No Money.

OK, so what do you do…pay or give to yourself? This is called selfishness. True, we are a “Royal priesthood”. We are not “Royal Priests” we are part of a new reality in access to the Father and worship him in spirit and in truth. The church has been given a commission to reach, teach , baptize and make disciples (Matthew 28:18) That mission is worth supporting and what Christ, the head of the church has called for.


[i] Addendum To Tithe        

Giving to God sacrificially was something that we find in Genesis 4 with Cain and Able. We see that both men gave God of their labor and God had respect unto one Able (Gen. 4:4) whereas he had not respect unto the other. (Gen. 4:5) What is often confused is that the word “respect” means that God didn’t care for the offering.  This is not a contextual truth. The word or phrase “had not respect” or Hebrew (Shaah ~ to gaze )  שָׁעָה] simply meant to not gaze upon. In other words this offering was not one that got the attention of God. We should ask why? The reason is that Abel’s sacrifice was one by which blood was shed. This is the sacrifice that God would honor as a blood sacrifice was effective for expiation of sin and ultimately for the expiation of the sins of the world.

Lev. 23:20-21~ 20-And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest. 21=And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.

Many offerings dealt with the removal and forgiveness of sin or appeasing the wrath of God. This process is called expiation. However, not all offerings were offering or sacrifices for expiation. Some offerings were rendered out of thanksgiving. Example:  Noah, gives thanks in Genesis 8, by offering some of all the “clean animals”. This was not to forgive or have sin removed, but to display his thankfulness to God.  Abraham does the same in Gen. 22 to give thanks unto God for providing a ram. Ex. 29 outlines that certain sacrifices both of blood and otherwise which were to be delivered in the consecration of the priests.

There were offerings, such as grain offering, first fruit offering and wave offering that were not solely expiation offerings. However they were commanded by God. Quite interestingly enough the tithe was NOT an expiation offering, however it was considered a sacrifice and a mode of giving.

[ii] Dictionary.com Noun definition 3  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sacrifice

[iii] A Fourth Case: Currency Exchange. The Giving Of Land And Land Buybacks

On top of all the previous information Leviticus 27 delivers instructions for all types gifts to the temple. Remember what we established in the first section that the tithe was for the ministry of the temple system and for the priests. In verses 14 and 15 instructions are given for those wanting to give their house to the temple or a priest.  Notice that if the person wanted to buy the house back after it had been given, they could do so for an additional 20% fee or up charge. This was a monetary requirement and not a biological life. In addition v.16 gives instructions of how land dedicated to the temple should be governed and establishes that there is a monetary value associated with it.

These are various situations, but I deliver this information to affirm that giving or sacrifice, including a tithe to the temple, was NOT only out of biological substance or substance of nature such as herbs and grain. There was a monetary value associated with temple sacrifices as well and at times currency was exchanged to satisfy payments, tithes and offerings.

Advertisements

Filed under: Pentecostalism, Religious

4 Responses

  1. dunamis2 says:

    A PDF of this article is available upon request. You can inbox me your email. Thanks.

  2. Chris says:

    {PHB~ I received this, long rambling and ignorant email in response to the article some time ago. I just now am going through it and have responded in the highlighted areas. If you want to respond, do so sticking to the subject matter and keep your articles much shorter. I have a lot to do and reading ignorance especially from other so called Christians is not one of my pastimes. He we go}

    Hi Group

    The study is not into what the New Testament actually teaches….but into how to bypass the legitimate questions of Spirit filled believers about mandated tithing as promoted by many deceivers in the New Testament church

    {PHB~ The writer shows his intent and that is to rather IGNORANTLY argue against the mandate of NT tithe. I guess that would be a good argument if there was ONE WORD in the article in support of a NT mandate for tithing. So in essence in his fight to come against teaching “promoted by deceivers” he becomes a deceiver by arguing something that the in no wise suggests or argues. based on this, he probably and more than likely has an inability to deliver any pertinent fact or helpful information.}here we go with the rest of his tirade:

    The objective (speaking of my article and efforts) is not one of truth…but how to continue to sustain the income stream. Denegration of legitimate questions as ‘confusion if not rebellion’ shows the intent is to manipulate by fear…ie EXTORTION!

    {PHB~ Not only is this stupidity, almost every idiot, except him, knows and understands the monetary value in bringing people together for whatever purpose. The church certainly isn’t free. In what we will read this idiot will not deliver one sound reason that tithe as a method is invalid for support of the NT church. However, he will probably claim that either the church shouldn’t exist or that because there were 3 methods of tithes and we don;t follow those methods that tithes are invalid, which is another fundamentalist, loony toon interpretation of scripture. We tithe because the method is not invalidated by scripture and as a method it is a sound and fundamental way to support the church community, which by the way, has NOT been invalidated in any way shape or form by any scripture in the NT. Let’s see which sorrowful methods this critic implores}

    It is interesting that he sees the ‘tithe’ as being established / instituted first for the Levites. This would imply that until this date the tithe was NOT a requirement of the scriptures. (All who have researched the matter now add our hearty “AMEN”)

    {An amen???? Hopefully not while espousing such ignorance…Now, statements like his only show a serious lack of depth of dealing with any issue yet alone tithing. He talks about how I ‘see” tithes….that has nothing to do with how I see. tithe was an institution among God’s people for 1)the support of the LEVITES as the levites did not have their own possession but dwelt among all tribes so that the work of ministry could be done, 2)the support of God’s people and 3) the ministry of the sacrificial system. The fact is that tithes as a practice existed before this as Melchisedec received tithes from Abram, however, God’s use and implementation of tithe was specific in usage among his people. in essence tithe was not new, the implementation of it among God’s people was.}

    Perhaps this is an acknowledgement that under the ‘law’ which applied from Abram until Moses there was no requirement because the two cases often quoted are so tenuous as to be contrary to most of what is taught anyway?

    {PHB~ What kind of “snake oil” is this guy selling. As I already referenced that Abram was familiar with tithe and the article references Jacob and his tithe prior to the “law of Moses” or Torah. I am beginning to this this guys is just a BLOW-HARD and I am right as we will see!}

    “Section 1- The Establishment Of The Tithe
    The very first issue to visit is the scope of tithes and why tithes as a method of contribution was instituted in the OT. As we will find in the study there was a practical and a spiritual reason for tithes. I will deal with the practical aspect and continue into the sacrificial and spiritual aspects of it as well.

    {PHB~ Classic cultists…it ain’t valid until HE says it’s valid….ooooh brother!!!! So he will notw attempt to ‘re-teach” and re write everythign that has been written…OK, i’ll take this as long as my stomach can handle it, maybe a little further because he ignorance already makes me sick…}

    The Levites did not get 10% of the land …they were only to receive a tithe of the produce grown on it.

    {PHB~ Any half truth is FALSE…Levites would often receive not only the produce from the land but the land itself in many cases was given as a blessing and dedication to God. There were also arrangements and gifts in the event of death, but to give a tithe and that tithe include property was NOT something foreign to OT scriptures or people. In addition, we see one such former Levite in Acts 4:36 named Joses who sold his “land” giving all the money of the possession to the NT church leaders…ALL of it. It is funny how these modern ignorant critics claim to be faithful to the bible but overlook great parts of it to prove their pet anti-biblical teaching.}

    There is absolutely no relevance of this to modern preachers, who in the main DO OWN property, ….and do NOT forfeit their property rights in return for a right to receive the ‘tithe’.

    {PHB~ What does this even mean? It is unintelligible.}

    This is nothing short of wicked deception…ie “the tithe will be what we as preachers tell you it is”….and NOT what God in the scripture defines his HOLY tithe as being….something is amiss here when we reserve the right to change more than just ‘one jot or tittle’

    Tithing according to every scripture in the Law was NEVER of anything other than increase FROM THE LAND including food and animals. It NEVER included money or income earned by anyone else!

    {PHB~ I think we are beginning to see the real problem. First he has no scriptural support for his position and we have not only Jewish teaching but also scriptural references in support of the position stated in the article. So his argument arrives on life support to begin with. Secondly, it seems that he is jealous that “church leaders” receive tithe and live a lifestyle that I guess he perceives to be lavish. That may be true in some cases, but last I wonder how much of a complaint does he deliver to his water complaint, or electric company for their executives living lavishly while they shut him and others off for not paying their bill? In fact I’ll bet that NONE of those executrices will pray one word for him or his family. They certainly won;t be there through the darkest hours for him. So what is his compliant? He makes a whole case, full of garbage based off of his disdain for the actions of the few he sees. Talking about men as trees walking…this guy needs another touch from Jesus and he needs to look up…}

    Tithes were not sacrifices….they were a freewill gift (prior to the Law)…..and a required re-imbursement to the Levites (under the Law) Christians DON’T offer sacrifices under the New Covenant because Jesus offered the FINAL once for all sacrifice which perfects us FOREVER Heb 10:10&14 We however present ourselves as ‘living sacrifices’ to God in response to His great love for us. (Rom 12:1)

    {PHB~ And the problem is???? Aside from the fact that he has no clue what I mentioned when I mentioned “sacrifice”, what is there that I didn’t say? First, the tithe was not a “salvific” sacrifice or a sacrifice of expiation. there were many OT practices, ceremonies and sacrifices that had nothing to do with the expiation of sin. Some of them were dedicatory in nature. Tithing was one of them that was honorific, not expiatory. Some people should seek to study and understand the subject matter before they ignorantly ramble. This fella is one of those people.}

    While addressing Abrams tithe (ie Abraham was only his name after he was made righteous in Gen 15)…he now tries to say that Abram gave of ALL HIS substance……the scriptures and context show that Abram onl ever gave one tithe which was ONLY of spoils….of which he swore not to take ownership of. His once in a lifetime tithe now becomes proof that ‘tithes’….(ie under the Law…and after that)….MUST include income?

    {PHB~ Is there an argument in there someplace against tithe before the law? Remember his claim is that tithes weren’t “required” prior to the Law so the acknowledgement is that they were afterward. It is a LIE that I said Abram gave all of his substance…where is that at Mr. IGNORANT??? Where was that ever said??? Just another LIAR trying to make himself ans his followers, caught in the same ignorance feel good. We are talking about was was gained in that event STUPID! (gonna shut this down soon) What is a “spoil”? It would include any gain, monetary or otherwise or the price of that gain in monetary values and sense. I mean just apply a little common sense, if there is any, that should be clear}

    And despite the fact that Jacobs offer to tithe was a FREEWILL response to his encounter with God…..this is again used to support the claim that ‘tithes’….(ie under the Law…and after that)….MUST include income? And this despite the fact that there is no record in the bible that Jacob (meaning deceiver) …actually kept the vow he made as an ‘unregeneate’… (He was only transformed in 14 years later in Gen 32) If you reject this statement then please show me where …what …and to whom Jacob gave his ‘tithe’?…. In all liklihood it was intended to be a ONE-OFF gift offered as a sacrifice (and certainly NOT a weekly or monthly lifetime giving)

    {PHB~ Now, I thought I had heard it all from those who deny scriptures. This guy basically says that Jacob lied to God, didn’t do what he said simply because his name hadn’t been changed (“converted” to him) and that God honored him anyway.(LOL-LOL-LOL!!!) I have not seen nor heard of such rank ignorance in my life. So according to him, Jacob had the inability to follow through on his promise and God didn’t take his commitment seriously enough to require that he do right or honor his word. keep in mind that he delivers his apologetic in an attempt to prove that Jacob didn’t pay tithes….LAUGHABLE and ignorant, but highly LAUGHABLE!!!! There are sinners that pay tithes because they believe it is right and they want to support the church and the church’s work and know that it makes common sense that the church have a way of maintaining financial support. Paying tithes has nothing to do with the condition of a person’s heart. His argument from silence not only makes a mockery of God and scripture, it is full of ignorance, and special pleading}

    Concerning Jehrico he states:

    WOW….and this from a preacher. God does not say it was a tithe…only a wicked deceiver attempting to extort money from God’s children would use this passage in this way!. (Titus 1:10-11)

    {PHB~ How about someone who is scripturally illiterate (that needs to be taught instead of teaching) that believes all “FIRST” belongs to God EXCEPT the first of your money??? That sounds like a heart issue to me. So the “deceiver” is one who is unprepared, unspiritual, and does not seek God for insight into scripture as we will see with continuing statements, because the following totally loses him:}

    The tithe and firstfruits are BOTH a type and a shadow of Jesus…Jesus is THE bread of LIFE….He is the MEAT in the Fthers House ….and not our income! The type is NOT that we should now all give to church organisations to provide the ‘food’ (that would be the work of our own hands….but that we should look to WHAT GOD HIMSELF PROVIDED)

    {PHB ~ Now, everybody’s toilet flushes at least once. Mr. “Ignorant” does provide an excellent display of type associating it with Jesus as the living bread and that the meant was associated with Jesus (hopefully the substance of his work). That is good, but about as far as he gets and compliments certainly end there. Tithe was not only representative, there was also a purpose to the collection. It was material substance and that substance did not fail to include monetary gain as well. What are we to assume that the Temple had no expenses? Where did the money come from? Was everything donated? This is rank ignorance! Where the type ends is that tithe was NOT something done to remove sin as I stated earlier, so the type only goes so far. That is all it was intended to do, to reaffirm God’s nature and what he honored and that was the FIRST of ALL increase. Tithe represented Jesus not in substance of monetary value, but in the essence of that which is “First” and best, given and dedicated to God to worship, exalt and praise HIS name. Now if one can say that “all increase” doesn’t include material or monetary gain, then we have something to look at but this guy is ignorant of that and can’t do it. Where is the exception that “all” means everything EXCEPT monetary increase? Total foolishness.}

    It is stange that neither the apostles (including Paul) nor the early church EVER taught or practiced this???….maybe the writer has more insight about what Jesus taught and intended than they did?

    {PHB~ What the NT Apostles and church practiced was 100% giving where they laid ALL they had, MONEY included at the apostles feet. Acts. 4. that was the practice of the NT church. Often what the critics refer to as freewill offerings were offering taken for the relief of Saints and their financial troubles as we in the NT. What is called “freewill offerings” were not the mode and method of support of the NT church. Somebody, including this critic has LIED and deceived and claim that others are doing that. Believe me, noone has done that as well as them and the devil in them delivering this cheap doctrine as scriptural fact.}

    Suddenly we are back…’under the Law’….and making no distinction in case our slight of hand is spotted? Tithes were PART OF THE LAW (Mat 23:23 Heb 7:5)….and ALL the Law came with a curse for not obeying it FULLY (Deut 28:1-2)

    {PHB~ no, suddenly you are confronted with the truth that tithe is about much more than money, land or any monetary gifting or means of support etc. Sabbath worship was also a part of the law, but the church is not to condemn anyone for the day they esteem holy etc. What the critic is disappointed in is that I don’t associate not paying tithes with a curse, I simply lay out the what and the why which is evidently something that the critic can’t do and has not done, especially in this case.}

    Yes…but not in any way that you show in your artical….NONE of the disciples ‘tithed’ to Jesus…it would have been SIN!…ie he was of the tribe of Judah!

    {PHB~ As stated previously this is a patently false and kindergarten scriptural rendering and understanding. Paul and the NT church consistently met and worshiped on the Sabbath and even in the Temple and the synagogues which were the common Jewish places of worship and they did so all without the condemnation of this heretic. It was not sin to worship on the Sabbath or keep any of the commandments or parts of the Law. The sin was in thinking that those things could expiate sin. Thank god that we have a place to address and correct so much false doctrine and teaching. My goodness!!!}

    Paul knew the tithe…that it was OF THE LAW….and being from the tribe of Benjamin he also would NEVER have received it! …it would have been SIN!

    {PHB~ repetition of false information deserves repetition of truth, this is a FALSE ASSUMPTION and not supported by scripture. Paul was in the synagogue Acts 17:2~ “And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures” not only was Paul in the synagogue, he was in there on the Sabbath worshiping and teaching the gospel message. Do you mean for us to believe that he cursed the synagogue and the sabbath? Read Acts 13:2, 14:1, 17:10, 18:7 & 19,19:8 and the list goes on. Since both were under the Law are we to now assume that he was sinning? Lord help these blinded and self-centered folk!}

    This was ONLY EVER practiced by JEWISH believers who KNEW Jerusalem was about to be destroyed……NEVER by the Gentiles…..and NEVER taught in the epistles (Contrary to 1 Tim 5:4-8 and Gal 2:10)

    {PHB ~This was interesting. The claim is that only Jewish folk practiced tithes and that Gentiles were not under such obligation. OK, that is fanciful!!!! now, NONE of this has anything to do with tithes in the NT or whether they are valid or invalid, but I am wondering what about a converted Jew under the OT? Would they or would they not be under obligation to practice the Law including tithe? In short, this is called a RED HERRING argument. There is no substance and whether Jew or Gentile none of that addresses the use and application of giving of tithe in the NT era. it is a fanciful argument to say the least, but it is totally outta there…and I do mean totally!}

    {PHB~I gotta leave this one in. I said:}: “Are we to assume that a culture rich in knowledge and meaning of “first”, “first fruits”, “first born” and “tithe” intended to suddenly disband the idea of giving God not only the first, but all of themselves? Are we to assume that all Jewish customs were so despised that the NT church lost all sense of how these things honored and reverenced God? I think to make such an argument is not only unwise, but it also doesn’t honor either scripture, nor the historic foundation of the church itself.”

    To which he responds:

    No we are not to ‘assume this’…we are COMMANDED to lay these things aside….(refer Acts 15….and Gal 5:1-4) These passages cleary demonstrates that tithing is NOT taught…or required in New Testament scriptures …it is ‘spiritually extrapolated’ from CONTRARY to commands in the epistles Titus 1:14-15
    14 not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn from the truth. NKJV

    {PHB~ Now, tithe is a “command of men” and a “fable”? is that so? how many scriptures can he render to support this? So like Paul did the Sabbath, we are to set tithe aside as and not have any regard for it at all? is that so? That sounds like a command of men to me…a very WEAK command!}

    {So far as the curse and death of Ananias and Sapphariah were concerned}

    Strange that Peter did not say it had anything to do with ‘OBEYING or HONORING God’?…Maybe this teacher knows Jesus better than Peter?

    {PHB ~ Well I would assume that lying to the Holy Ghost is not exactly “honoring God”…does 2+2 still equal 4? That is sort of an inductive argument I know, but please pay attention. Although based on the other parts of his apologetic, I don’t think there is too much promise for that.

    I also argue that tithing is simply one standard or measure of NT giving and that 100% giving is another. He responded by saying the following rambling mess:}

    Wow…again a huge assumption posing as a scriptural requirement! 100% was a FREEWILL choice…this is NOT a requirement The giving was NOT ‘associated with the church’…but for those in NEED

    {PHB ~ it is just interesting to me how people just make stuff up and insert it into scripture. Now, here we have giving ONLY for those in need. Well, in NT that ‘s exactly what the freewill offering requested by the Apostles was for. For them in need. However that WAS NOT taught as the manner of supporting the NT church. To teach that, as this critic and others do is an insertion in the scripture. In other words he is simply making stuff up!!!! The early NT church was a church on the run and underground. That’s what we know from study.We also know that collections were taken for the support of its people and for certain and varions needs. We also know, with half a brain, that when teh church came forward as a community that it would need and garner financial support. Again an inductive and reasonable argument. This guy is an extremist that does not believe in the church as an organization, simliar to teh unreasonable and unfounded ramblings of Frank Viola. Totally off base and unfounded argument.}

    So far as tithing and the curse was concerned, because he was expecting me to say that people are cursed if they don’t tithe, I said:
    Yes, If God requires a tithe, or if a tithe is committed to him and then overlooked. If one pretends to tithe or give out of “free will” and does not do what one commits how can they expect to be blessed for lying?”

    Wow…what about a single NEW Testament scripture to support this?….Contrary to Acts 15 and Gal 3:13-14 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. NKJV

    {PHB~ Is that even an argument? What about lying to God or commitment of believers that agree on certain issues? Does this critic think that lying and cheating believers will result in blessing? he must be further off his rocker than it appears.}

    {I talked about how not believing in tithing was to not believe in a vast portion of the bible and biblical narratives. He said:

    Certainly not the way you deceitfully and manipulatively try to interpret it Gal 1:9 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. NKJV

    {PHB ~ Now, look at that. I am a deceiver (said repeatedly by him) and now I am preaching “another gospel”…well GOOD!!!! I don’t want to preach the GARBAGE that you are delivering. What i do is build the church and the community and pour blessings upon the people of God. What you do is teach self, selfishness and anti-church garbage. nobody that has a right mind and view of scripture espouses what you believe. You may not like it, and that is good, but stop calling others who dedicate their lives to more than only themselves deceivers…by the fruit, he is a self-directed blowhard and a poor excuse for a biblical teacher in this area of study.}

    ” If You Are Tithing In According To The Law Then You Are Acting As If The Law Has Not Been Abolished For The Believer.

    The Law is fulfilled not “abolished” for the believer because the Levitical system has been completed. However the method of supporting the church is acceptable. There should be no contention from a believer who is a part of the church, in giving as the NT leaders suspected that that believers would be part of the church (Heb. 10:25)”

    Eph 2:15
    15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, NKJV Heb 8:13 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. NKJV

    {PHB~ I said, “The Tithe Was For The Priest In The OT. According To The Word We Are Priests (1 Pet. 2:9) . We Have Jesus & He Needs No Money.”

    OK, so what do you do…pay or give to yourself? This is called selfishness. True, we are a “Royal priesthood”. We are not “Royal Priests” we are part of a new reality in access to the Father and worship him in spirit and in truth. The church has been given a commission to reach, teach , baptize and make disciples (Matthew 28:18) ” YES…but this is something we are each called to FUND ourselves to do…Acts 20:34-35 We are ALL to do the ‘work of ministry’ Eph 4 :11

    Chris

    {PHB~ Chris, thank you for your commentary but you are ignorant! Your argument was way too long and totally unsupportable by scripture. You have a personal preference, and I say sooooo what?? Preference does not negate scripture or the correct interpretation of it. There is ample evidence given in my argument and this article which far and abocve outweighs your complete tirade. I am sorry it took me so long to post this, but as I got into it I was more than glad. What I am doing is helping people overcome sexual abuse and ministering to people who have had family members killed and cheated by gangs and drugs. Those are the things we do in the modern CHURCH and with church money including TITHES. In other words we MINISTER to people out of our hearts with no requirement of return because we can! instead of calling folk “deceivers” because they disagree with us (although you are a deceiver because you disagree with God) We do more than simply criticize. WE are part of the solution, not part of the problem and we seek others to be a part also. So a word of advice, if you want to disagree, do so, that is fine with me, but don’t expect a friendly carpet to lay your stink bombs on. As long as Christ lives, and he gives me strength, I will oppose garbage such as that you spew. you are in part responsible for this ugliness that exists on the internet among those that are heretical against the church and what it represents. God is certainly against you and you don;t have a leg to stand on when it comes to these type of arguments. My advice: get right, get a relationship with Christ, learn the material through HIS eyes and most of all REPENT while you still can for leading others astray. Thank you for visiting the site. At least 2 of your arguments are worth passing on to other of us who study heretical arguments such as yours. Good day!

  3. dunamis2 says:

    Heresy is fantastic!

    A heretic named Chris called himself making a retort to the article making all kinds of fanciful claims, skipping over info and it suited him and proceeding to argue that I taught that the tithe was mandatory in the NT…

    Please read the article instead of being the idiot he was…The tithe is not mandatory as it is fulfilled in the person of Jesus himself. Just like the Sabbath is not mandatory based on the same thing. However the tithe is NOT condemned anywhere in scripture either by Jesus nor the apostles and what we do find is that the NT outlines an even greater standard in which ALL NT believers displayed and that included MONEY…Not just a bunch of fruits and vegetables like these heretics claim…

    What they are is CHEAP , SELFISH and unconcerned folk. Their kingdom is a self directed kingdom of flesh. They have no interest in supporting the kingdom of Christ unless they are in control of it. SMH!

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Help Support The Ministry

Hot Topics

Media & Podcasts

Pastor's Profile

Study Materials

%d bloggers like this: